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Tempers flare as scientists defend the solar debate

09 Jun, 2009 06:12 AM
SCIENTISTS have criticised the Family First Senator, Steve Fielding, for promoting "misinformation" that the sun could be to blame for recent global warming.

David Karoly, a climate change expert at the University of Melbourne, said Senator Fielding was also wrong to argue that debate about the influence of the sun on recent rises in global temperature had been stifled.

Independent teams of scientists had been assessing the evidence for many years, Professor Karoly said. "There has been a rigorous debate."

The conclusion that greenhouse gas emissions are the main cause of climate change had been accepted by more than 70 of the world's science academies.

Senator Fielding had been "misinformed by a group of people who probably have a vested interest", Professor Karoly said. The contribution of the sun "has been addressed over and over again".

Paul Cally, professor of solar physics at Monash University, said a gradual increase in solar activity during the first half of last century might have contributed up to 30 per cent of global warming.

"But it was totally swamped by man-made effects late in the 20th century," Professor Cally said. "It is very clear if you look at the data."

He was concerned by misrepresentation of science because "it may cause us to do nothing when when we really need to be doing a lot".

The former chief of atmospheric research at the CSIRO, Graeme Pearman, said scepticism was healthy, but it was "silly" of Senator Fielding to think he had suddenly hit on an idea scientists had not thoroughly considered and dismissed.

The conclusion that global warming was not due to natural causes, like solar flares, was the result of "25 years of research", Dr Pearman said.

Senator Fielding also said he had been influenced by a recent book on climate change, Heaven And Earth, by a University of Adelaide geologist, Ian Plimer.

Professor Plimer's book has been heavily criticised by other Australian scientists for its selective use of evidence, most recently by the president of the Australian Academy of Science, Kurt Lambeck, who said it was sloppy.

"[It] is not a work of science," he said on ABC radio. "It is an opinion of an author who happens to be a scientist."

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Well the earth was flat once! I'm not against stopping greenhouse gases or pollution of our world. But climate change is a bit of a myth. When I was a young boy in the Lake Illawarra area in the late thirties, it was so hot at night that we used to sleep outside to get any relief. But these days with "Global Warming & Climate Change" I will need to go and buy my very first Overcoat!
Posted by Seniac, 9/06/2009 8:24:04 AM
The unsubstantiated criticism of Prof. Plimer continues. Kurt Lambeck has the opportunity to publish information on his conclusions of carbon dioxide and climate change. Instead he attacks the conclusions of other scientists and provides no information to support his case. Well done, that will convince the families in Australia who are going to be taxed as a result of inconclusive science, with a tax that is supposedly going to change the world climate.
Posted by John Michelmore, 9/06/2009 8:33:36 AM
These climate scientists who tell us what the weather will be in 100 years cannot tell us reliably what the weather will be the week after next.
Posted by Ted O'Brien, 9/06/2009 8:35:44 AM
Who the hell is going to make money out of this crap? The so called experts or are they being brain washed by overseas interests? Things run in cycles, go and have a proper look at all the records that are available and as for the government its beaurecrats are so green they will put anything in front of parliamentrians to get it signed and the stupid buggers do it without reading and understanding that somebody's pushing their agenda and are going to make a lot of money.
Posted by petro, 9/06/2009 8:41:37 AM
Putting aside the science in this debate, what we are witnessing is public science pressure to kill-off open and creative debate. Public scientists will now openly admit that they are instructed to work for the government rather than the common-good of society. It is this closed-process that leads to public scientists and the government developing belief systems that are politically motivated with no basis in science, and no public debate to the contrary is tolerated. While public scientists control the belief system they control the public funds for science and the political debate.
Posted by Mangiri, 9/06/2009 9:29:48 AM
Here we go! As soon as the good senator got off the plane, the tax-payer funded high priests of the man made “Global Warming” theory were going to go after him. “Burn him at the stake” they will call. This statement by Kurt Lambeck of the Australian Academy of Science says it all "[It] is not a work of science, it is an opinion of an author who happens to be a scientist." We won’t let the semantics let loose by these high priests of nobility get in the way of a proper and informing debate into the science behind this global warming theory, or will we?
Posted by Dr Bob, 9/06/2009 9:57:33 AM
Scientists and consultants are tarred with the same brush. They give the answers that are wanted by governments, this way they can then blame some one else when they finally stuff up. You see it every day with all forms of governments. Why do we have to rely on some one else just because governments do not have the courage to make their own decisions? They don't want public criticisms.
Posted by petro, 9/06/2009 10:47:47 AM
Our academia doth protest too much, like the scientist of old who defended the flat earth.
Posted by Hot air, 9/06/2009 3:28:37 PM
These bloody 'climate scientists' are after one thing only and that is money to preserve their jobs by jumping on the climate band wagon. Much the same happened with a bunch of down and out Department of Agriculture geeks when they developed the OJD band wagon.
Posted by jerangle, 9/06/2009 3:59:33 PM
Science, History, Economics, Ethics, Social Science and every other discipline of the mind has been undermined by socialist moral relativism to the point where the opinions of practitioners infuse their work to such an extent that it has become meaningless. Sadly, such an intellectual vacuum leaves us with a practically useless but politically impeccable Acadame and we the people must sift through oceans of psuedo scientific excrement to find a few pearls of truth. The last few years has seen my faith in scientists disappear as they are following a political agenda no different in spirit to that of the acquiescence of science to Hitler's/Stalin's socio political agendas of the 1930s.
Posted by Jeffry, 9/06/2009 4:20:43 PM
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