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Carbon Sense Coalition says farm lobby groups failing farmers

7/07/2008 6:05:00 PM
The Carbon Sense Coalition today accused the big farming lobby groups, government departments, politicians and Ministers representing agriculture of ignoring science and abandoning farmers to unjustified carbon taxation.

The chairman of Carbon Sense, Viv Forbes, claims that there was no justification whatsoever for including emissions from farm animals in any carbon emissions tax scheme.

Carbon Coalition is a group of concerned Australians which runs a web site (see below) and claims that one of the most effective strategies for locking up carbon in our atmosphere is to be found in fostering deep-rooted plant species on land used for agriculture.

“Every intelligent farmer can understand the carbon food cycle whereby every bit of carbon dioxide released by farm animals or plants into the atmosphere has previously been removed from the same atmosphere,” Viv Forbes says.

“This simple process is surely not beyond the understanding of all the lobbyists, bureaucrats, researchers and media living off farmers?

“In the farm sector carbon balance, apart from any fossil fuel used, it is a zero sum game, and all farm animals have zero net carbon emissions.

“Grazing animals have not yet learned to live on coal or diesel fuel, and they cannot create carbon out of rocks, soil or water. "Therefore they must extract it, via grasses and grains, from that marvellous gas of life in our atmosphere, carbon dioxide.

"All foods and organic matter represent carbon that has been sequestered by life processes into living matter.

"The carbon is simply recycled at zero cost.

“Farm plants and animals are every bit as green as forests.

"Both farms and forests extract carbon from the air and store it in organic life forms until that organic matter is burnt or decays in the open air, thus returning their borrowed carbon to the atmospheric storehouse.

“Why then do those who grow forests attract a carbon credit and but those who grow cattle and sheep cop a carbon tax?

“Australia and New Zealand lead the world in harvesting solar energy and carbon dioxide to produce an abundance of clean green food.

"Why then are both the New Zealand and the Australian governments proposing to force farm animals into their emissions trading quagmire?

"And why are they subsidising the conversion of farmland producing food into forests producing nothing but carbon credits or crops producing ethanol motor fuel?

"What are future generations going to eat?”

Mr Forbes claims that farmers need to start agitating now or they risk being the only bunnies still paying carbon taxes.

"Farmers are the only big group with so few votes and such incompetent leadership that they will pay the carbon tax,” he warns

“Farmers have been abandoned by Ag Force, the Meat and Livestock Authority, CSIRO, the National Party, our “working families” Government and most of the similar organisations in New Zealand.

"It is not clear whether this is because of a lack of scientific logic or cowardice in the face of electoral hysteria on global warming.”

Carbon Coalition believes capturing more carbon in agricultural soils will mean water is used where it falls, leading to cleaner waterways and less silting.

It urges governments and the business community to acknowledge the role that agricultural soils can play in addressing the Global Warming crisis.

Carbon Coalition believes farmers can play a central role in sequestering carbon in their soils by fostering deep-rooted perennial plant species that have significant biomass in their root systems.

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Congratulations on getting the message about the agricultural sector. There is a fundamental lack of understanding of the Carbon Cycle - most people do not realise that plants convert CO2 into "plants". The whole debate has been focussed on coal and fuel as these industries have the most to lose/gain. Why were the coal industries not looking at Clean Coal 20 years ago? Reducing pollution should have been the only incentive required - not taxpayer incentives.
Posted by Robert on 7/07/2008 11:34:41 AM
Livestock are one of the main causes of climate change in Australia, and a population too high on a fragile landscape! We not only rely too heavily on livestock agriculture but also export so much meat and dairy. Our human population was never meant to support 21 million people, mostly meat-eaters! We need a zero population growth policy and go down the food chain to reduce greenhouse gases, reduce water consumption and land damage.
Posted by Bob on 7/07/2008 5:11:30 PM
I always thought the main problem was methane emission from livestock rather than carbon dioxide? But I guess if feed lotting operations were considered then there must be some considerable carbon inputs there.
Posted by peteri on 7/07/2008 11:29:47 PM
It appears that a simple chemistry lesson, covering topics like methane, will demonstrate that the carbon coalition is failing themselves...
Posted by Frank on 8/07/2008 8:22:37 AM
The issue about livestock is not CO2 but methane.

But livestock are not one of the main causes of climate change - they represent barely 16pc, whereas the energy sector represents over 50pc.

Bob's response demonstrates how this whole debate is being captured by interest groups - vegetarians are one.

I agree that the farm lobby groups are doing a very poor job, but do farmers complain?

Posted by Tim on 8/07/2008 8:54:19 AM
Bob is dead right, the problem here is the number of humans depending on our natural resources, and that number needs to be reduced.

I trust Bob is going to be the first to leave his comfortable urban lifestyle and set the example by going to live in a bark hut and eat lentils for the rest of his life. Think about it.

Posted by trev on 8/07/2008 9:36:18 AM
Not sure of the numbers, but methinks that termites, the earthworms of the deserts and tropics, also produce copious amounts of methane, of the same order numerically as livestock.

On that basis alone, why then blame livestock for climate change as Bob has done? Surely termites can shoulder some of the blame!

And livestock, while users of water, are not profligate water consumers - some even goes back on to the ground as urine!

Blaming a sector is fine........but please get the damaging sectors well sorted before making accusations.

As said already, agriculture is being excluded from capitalising on carbon credits where applicable - say in soil carbon sequestraton and blamed for lots of carbon emissons.

The forestry lobby has done a good job regarding carbon issues......and that's about all one can really say!

Lots of deep-rooted pastures also do a great job with carbon accumulation....and the numbers are now slowly emerging, worldwide.

So does conservation tillage

Posted by R See 1 on 8/07/2008 10:23:50 AM
In February 2006 we formed the Carbon Coalition and set up our blogsite http://carboncoalitionoz.blogspot.com In July 2007 Viv Forbes launched his version of the "Carbon Coalition". If you visit www.carboncoalition.com.au you are in our website.

The difference between our two organisations is that our mission is to see soil carbon credits traded and farmers paid for what they grow.

Viv's organisation does not believe in the market for carbon credits because it does not believe in man-made global warming. Its members are known as 'climate change sceptics' or 'denialists'.

Viv very graceously changed the name of his organisation to "Carbon Sense Coalition". But unfortunately this was not enough to stop us being confused as the same organisation.

The photograph, web address and some of the facts in this story comes from our website. (The photo is of our property "Uamby" where we grow fine Merino wool, near Gulgong.)

Viv is a farmer and former coal mining executive.

Re methane and natural cycles: If you believe that greenhouse gases are causing global warming, and if enteric methane emissions are contributing to the problem, it is irrelevant whether they are part of the natural carbon cycle or not.

They are increasing the damage being done to the climate.

Burning fossil fuels is not the only problem we have. Emissions are the problem, whether natural or not. The number of cattle in the world has grown exponentially as consumer society has expanded.

The same expansion has driven our conversion of coal and oil to energy and greenhouse gases. Our Carbon Coalition accepts that the world's governments are not about to reverse their views on climate change anytime soon.

We have got to work with political reality. Soil carbon credits would enable the average grower to offset their methane and nitrogen emissions easily, in our calculations.

Long live the Carbon Coalition!

Posted by Michael Kiely on 8/07/2008 11:05:22 AM
Despite the semantic differences, both groups are essentially out to feather their own nest selling snake-oil, whilst talking up their green credibility.
Posted by Frank on 9/07/2008 8:48:35 AM
How many animals do you think you could manage without the oil and coal that is used to make fertilizer, work the land, grow the crops, etc. There is more livestock on the planet than humans, of course they should be taxed.
Posted by ausearth on 9/07/2008 3:33:52 PM

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