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Rising ocean temperatures near worst-case predictions

20 Jun, 2009 04:00 AM
The ocean is warming about 50 per cent faster than reported two years ago, according to an update of the latest climate science.

A report compiling research presented at a science congress in Copenhagen in March says recent observations are near the worst-case predictions of the 2007 report by the United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.

In the case of sea-level rise, it is happening at an even greater rate than projected - largely due to rising ocean temperatures causing thermal expansion of seawater.

Released last night at the European Policy Centre in Brussels, the report says ocean temperatures are a better indicator of global warming than air temperature as the ocean stores more heat and responds more slowly to change.

Report co-author Will Steffen, executive director of the Australian National University's Climate Change Institute, said the top 700 metres of the ocean had warmed by about 0.1 degrees over the past half-century.

"While that looks like a modest figure, that would correspond to something like 15 to 20 times more heat going into the ocean than has gone into the atmosphere," Professor Steffen said.

"Well over half of the increase in ocean temperature occurred in the last 10 years, so the system is accelerating."

The report, titled Climate change: Global risks, challenges & decisions, says greenhouse gas emissions needed to peak within the next six years for the world to give a chance of limiting global warming above pre-industrial levels to about two degrees.

But it warms that even a two-degree rise in temperature would lead to significant risks, including loss of water storage capacity in the Himalayan glaciers and the melting of the Greenland ice sheet.

Ice sheet melting could be locked in for centuries before it is felt.

Other findings in the report include that:

* Sea level is predicted to rise by about a metre by 2100, though it notes models of the behaviour of polar ice sheets are in their infancy.

* Summer Arctic sea ice is reducing dramatically, with the decrease in 2008 almost as great as the record loss in 2007. As ice and snow reflect the sun, loss of sea ice will lead to more rapid warming as heat is instead absorbed by seawater.

* Carbon dioxide concentrations in the atmosphere have not been substantially higher than now for at least the last 20 million years.

* Global average surface temperature will hardly drop in the first thousand years after greenhouse gas emissions are cut to zero.

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I wonder how many people actually believe this stuff? I suspect less and less these days; sounds like more propaganda from the IPCC.
Posted by andy, 20/06/2009 9:24:24 AM
The science is settled, man made co2 has no effect on the climate at all. The main driver of long term normal natural climate change is the sun. Of which we can do nothing about. If they can convince you long term normal natural climate change is your co2, they can tax you for it. End of story.
Posted by Loc Hey, 20/06/2009 9:15:11 PM
I suppose this is where the climate change deniers come out in strength and try to tell us that this is faulty science, show us the science, CO2 is not causing either global warming or oceanic acidification, etc etc ad nauseum. They have no explanation for the massive Arctic ice shelves disappearing, the West Antarctic ice loss, the melting of permafrost in Northern Europe, Siberia, Northern USA (Alaska) and Canada. The loss of permafrost alone could cause the "Tipping Point" by releasing billions of tonnes of methane into the atmosphere. The more oceans warm, the more polar ice melts. The more ice that melts, the less solar reflectivity there is and the more the ocean warms. The climate change deniers continue to bury their heads in the sand, and before they know it, if nothing is done, when they do take their heads out of the sand they will find that they could be surrounded by a desert as bad as the Atacama.
Posted by Trugger, 20/06/2009 9:27:19 PM
Hey Trugger, how did the Aborigines walk to Australia and Tasmania? Why was Greenland called Greenland and how did the Vikings grow crops and raise animals there? Why was the Thames frozen every winter in the 14th century? Why are there cities under water in the Meditteranian sea and off the coast of Africa? Was all this caused by man? THE CLIMATE HAS CHANGED SINCE EARTH BEGAN. Can we do anything to stop it, NO.
Posted by jerangle, 22/06/2009 6:58:45 AM
Total agreement Trugger! I suspect the deniers won't be about to see their stupidity fully realised. These are the guys who see no benefit in change but their stubborn resistance to mending our ways as a society will be overtaken by something far bigger, unfortunately.
Posted by Brucemc, 22/06/2009 8:01:53 AM
How many people believe this stuff? Quite a few actually. And they are the same people that monitor and model such diverse things as agricultural soil health, crop genetics, pasture growth & nutrition, animal behaviour etc etc etc......and how many people at the agricultural coalface dismiss their agriculturally relevant observations & conclusions with the sheep like determination of so many sceptics here? Very few I'd reckon.....but the scientific quality of the observations & measurements and the strength of their conclusions is rarely of any greater power than those made by weather and climate scientists that so many of you clowns simply disregard.....so....which way do you want it? It's the same basic scientific method that is being applied to quantify and model a problem.....
Posted by seano, 22/06/2009 8:05:24 AM
Why aren't we still in the ice age????????????
Posted by Helen Clark, 22/06/2009 8:08:09 AM
"WRT - The science is settled" Yes it is actually... http://www.pik-potsdam.de/news/press-releases/files/synthesi s-report-web.pdf

For those who are not afflicted by illiteracy as well as extreme myopic denialism it makes for an interesting read. That is, if you are not afraid to let a few facts get in the way of convenient urban myths. Regardless of the Australian government and all of the lobbyists of various flavours, we will have to subscribe to some global system. Whether we like it or not.

Given the recent flurry of reports in the US and the response from China it would be fair to say that the train has definitely left the station. We can apply some nouse and help drive the train, we can passively sit on the train or we can do what many in the industrial & rural communities are currently doing & that is lying on the rails in front of the train. Guaranteed to end in tears...

Posted by gregy, 22/06/2009 8:17:20 AM
Humans are stupid! If there is a chance to stop rising temperature, it should be grabbed! Deniers don't want to know the facts, but if the planet is evolving and becoming hostile to life as we know it, then we should at least limit our impacts. There are too many conflicts of interests for many people to accept the science of climate change. It is contrary to our culture, economy and mindsets. Like the days of Noah, nobody listened to him either, and the known world was inundated by the Flood.
Posted by Vivienne, 22/06/2009 9:04:43 AM
I just love the term 'climate change deniers' ... I don't think there are any people denying that the climate is changing. But only whether the change is wholly, partially or not in the slightest due to human activity over the last 150 years. If the scientists who are convinced that man-made pollutants and carbon dioxide production are entirely responsible for the changing climate, I would just like to see where they are getting their data. I'm reasonably sure that they have not covered the oceans, the atmosphere and the soils with data-sensors. If the measurements being taken are spread thinly, then the results will be suspect - just as a "poll" of 1000 people in a country of 22M does not accurately reflect the feelings of the 22M. Add this to the fact that many of the data measurements that have been taken, have only been around for 50 years, and the data itself seems to be more of a guess than a prophecy. The climate is changing. Since we don't have measurable data records from the past that are directly comparable to today's data (ie ice core samples give us atmospheric or oceanic components, not a measure of temperatures), it's a stretch to say that this change is out of the ordinary for the planet, even if it is out of the 'ordinary' for the human race.
Posted by TM, 22/06/2009 9:29:41 AM
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